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[Rufus]

Yo.

I'm old school and believe that I bike doesn't have to be light to ride light, but I just got a Park Tool bike scale in and am weighing every thing today.

So I weighed my ti bike:
Com Ti frame, Cross ride wheels, Maxxis Crossmark 2.4" tires, Ritchey pedals, Recon fork, XTR/XT gears, LX disc brakes, FSA Carbon seat post, FSA low riser XC bar, Spesh BG Carb barends...

And it came in at a disappointing 12.6kg!!

I was gonna ask why it's so heavy, but having written down the spec I see some heavy-ish equipment like fork and wheels, tyres are big, but nice... And the bar...
Looks like a new fork then, maybe a fox...

Any comments from you guys?

[domino0]

Yo.

I'm old school and believe that I bike doesn't have to be light to ride light,

I totally agree, my dad jsut got a new bike, weighs around 32lbs and for a freerode bike thats fairly light, but it ride more like a 27lbs bike


Id be aware of fox, they are great forks, but prices are sky high for 2010 models and speaking from personal experiancce (today in fact) service them at least ever 6 monnths, otherwise i would say they are the best forks.


What we need is a series of forks, with the adaptability, strength, performance etc or fox but with the long lasting, wide variety or market rock shox forks!

[Rufus]

I would recommend servicing RS as often as Fox...

Basically the same system in the lower legs on Fox and RS, both have lube oil that need replacing.

Actually I've had problems with the front wheel moving in the dropouts under heavy braking, no matter how tight I have the QR.

What about the wheels? Are they especially heavy?

[domino0]

I would recommend servicing RS as often as Fox...

Basically the same system in the lower legs on Fox and RS, both have lube oil that need replacing.

Fox use the FIT Cartridges, which is different from RS, the bushes and seals on my 36 floats have gaps in them and there is dirt and the DREADED stanchion wear has begun 

We need fox forks with the long lasting and variety rock shox advantages 

[Rufus]

Hmmph.

I am officially a weight weenie!
I've just been going through the catalogues at the shop here, and I've found out that with my recent tyre change (from Flyweights to Crossmarks) the bike has gone up about 400g!

i've been looking at wheels too, obviously the Crossmax come out well at 1640g, mine are 1940g... cost a bit though...

and my Recons weigh about 1820g, Rebas are 300g lighter, though I will never have SIDs on the bike!

[iain1775]

Rufus,

I have same frame (medium) as you, used to have same wheels too until quite recently
I am quite suprised by your weight (equivalent to 27.7lbs - mine is around 23lbs or 10.4kg)

The Crossride wheels are suprisingly light when you consider the cost of them, but I now have DT Swiss 240 hubs with Stans Olympic rims and Saprim CXRay spokes (about 1500grammes and much much cheaper than the Mavic's - you pay for bling!), and tubeless Nobby Nic tyres, took a fair bit of weight off and more importantly they seem to roll alot faster
Rest of my build is all XTR with a carbon ibeam post, FSA carbon bars, Hope Mono Mini brakes and SID forks which I can't fault they are brilliant
The frame is designed around 100mm forks but I do wonder if it would be even better with 120's on?
Maybe some Fox F120's?? they are quite light I think?

I don't think the frame is as light as most Ti frames out there - it has huge lumps of aluminium forming the adjustable dropouts and disc post mount and the headtube, dropouts and bb area are a higher grade (6-4) heavier Ti than the rest (3-2.5), but this means it should also be much stronger

[domino0]

the commencal ti frame is definatley not the lightest ti bike frame out there, why would you never have sids, they are growing on me 

[iain1775]

why would you never have sids, they are growing on me 

you want to see a doctor, you can have them surgically removed these days, its a small operation under local anasthetic, not painful at all!!

[domino0]

you want to see a doctor, you can have them surgically removed these days, its a small operation under local anasthetic, not painful at all!!

Oh not funny, why sid rock shox forks then

[bong69uk]

you want to see a doctor, you can have them surgically removed these days, its a small operation under local anasthetic, not painful at all!!

Yes it was lol 

[Rufus]

I'd never have SIDs 'cos I'm too much dh and not enough xc, anyway their expensive and I'd rather use Fox.
I used to work at RockShox Norway, so I know how rubbish they are, and am very impressed with Fox.
Also I'll be using it for some trail use.

Yeah I was surprised by the weight too. It must be the fork though, it's quite heavy.
I have the same crank as this year's Supernormal.

But a gram here and a gram there makes a difference.

Lighter tyres, fork, bar and wheels will do the trick...

[domino0]

I'd never have SIDs 'cos I'm too much dh and not enough xc, anyway their expensive and I'd rather use Fox.
I used to work at RockShox Norway, so I know how rubbish they are, and am very impressed with Fox.
Also I'll be using it for some trail use.

Yeah I was surprised by the weight too. It must be the fork though, it's quite heavy.
I have the same crank as this year's Supernormal.

But a gram here and a gram there makes a difference.

Lighter tyres, fork, bar and wheels will do the trick...

Firstly are you sure fox are not more expensive now (being serious), you should be impressed by Fox, but not by how long they last unless you service them very regularly (fox recommend every 50 hours for full service including seals/bushes/oil)(but every 6 months should be ok) and sids would easily keep up for trail riding

[mc]

Domino, do you realise that Rufus runs his own bike shop, and may actually know what he's talking about?

And also, all forks are meant to be serviced reguarly.
Perhaps if you'd read the manual for your fox forks, you might realise you're supposed to clean the seals, and relube the foam rings every 25hrs of riding, and perform a full service every 200hrs or annualy.

[domino0]

Domino, do you realise that Rufus runs his own bike shop, and may actually know what he's talking about?

And also, all forks are meant to be serviced reguarly.
Perhaps if you'd read the manual for your fox forks, you might realise you're supposed to clean the seals, and relube the foam rings every 25hrs of riding, and perform a full service every 200hrs or annualy.

Yes, im not saying he doesnt know wat hes talking about, but with the prices these days surely a 2010 sid is cheaper than a 2010 fox  and I checked the fox website and it says oil change and everything else by 50 hours, seals cleaned etc after every ride etc says here:

http://www.foxracingshox.com/fox_tech_center/owners_manuals/09/Eng/2009_OM_eng.htm

[mc]

mmm.. they've changed the service intervals.
The manual I've got sitting on my desk says otherwise.


As for prices, Sids retail from £530 to £830.
The equivalent Fox F-series, retail from £589 to £729.

That's comparing 2009 prices, but 2010 prices won't vary that much in relation to each other.