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[doml]

So the stock bikes allegedly weigh in at 27 or 29 lbs. Yet my vip built up comes in at a whopping 32.5. To be honest it rides really light and I do have a drs on there (so theres a 1lb) but not sure where else I could lose the weight to get anywhere near the stock/cheaper bikes.

Interested to know where you lot would go to lose some weight from:

Spec is
Vip frame (medium) with rp23
Pike 454 dual air pushed weighs in at 4.5lb on my scales
SDG ibeam and saddle
Thomsom 70mm Stem
Ea 70bars mid rise
Saint brakes
XTR levers
XT front and rear mechs
Rear is a hope XC (old but still going strong) with xm321 comp spokes
Front is a bulb 20mm xm321 and comp spokes
fat albert light on front 2.35
Nobbic nic 2.25 on rear
Hone cranks
e13 drs
trailpimp pedals.
sram top end 12-36 cassette

[Toasty]

The claimed weights often don't include pedals as they change from rider to rider, there's a pound there for a start. Over half a pound extra on the Pikes over a set of Fox F140s, top forks though. Good sturdy wheel set but not overly light either, something like a 719 rim would save 100g off either end, especially if you're only using 2.25"/2.35" tyres.

The bikes are kitted with more XC bits generally, Deus XC is lighter than Thomson for example, you've gone for a more rugged all mountain style build by the looks of it (Hone, Saint etc).

[damo]

Doml? How did you weigh your bike? Do you have a proper bike weighing jobby or do you weigh it on bathroom scales? I need to weigh mine but can't find a decent thingy bob at reasonable price. I lifted a Sprc stumpy the other day and couldn't believe how light they were compared to my vip. So it got me thinking how much mine weighed.

Damo

[Toasty]

Some people use fishing scales which cover the right weight range and can be fairly accurate, ton's on ebay, just don't go too cheap or the results can be very random.

[doml]

stood on my bathroom scales holding the bike, then again just on my own. subtract one from t'other.

Toasty. pedals 1lb. cool. BUt the thomson stem is only 30g heavier than deus xc. Saint brakes (small rotors) weigh approx same as xt so maybe theres a 50-100g loss possible there. Hones are ony 940 in total, so maybe a 150g save to say Xt.

Just would like to get it down to 30lbs. Maybe tubeless would make that difference?

[Toasty]

Yeah, my point was there is weight here and there that adds up. 30g stem, 50g cranks, 50g brakes, 50g cassette (over 32 tooth XT).

I use standard Nobby Nics tubeless on mine on the standard rims (Equalizer 27s on my 55 XT), when you add in the weight of the rim strip and liquid it's not much of a saving, maybe 100-150g per tyre instead of 150-200g for a light tube. I did however pull a large thorn out of my wheel only yesterday, spin it around and marvel at how the hissing stopped in seconds. The sidewalls do take a beating with non-UST tyres, the fast rolling grip is lovely though.

I wouldn't worry about the magic 30lb figure, as long as you've got decent wheels and tyres you'll roll at a good speed, it'd be a shame sticking any lighter bits on a strong build like you've got. Some Pro IIs on 719s would save about 300g (200g on rims, 100g on rear hub), or even more with Pro 3s, obviously they're not as sturdy as your 21mm rims though.

Which Fat Albert do you use by the way? Schwalbe only lists a couple and they come in quite heavy:

http://www.schwalbetires.com/node/1354 Alberts
http://www.schwalbetires.com/nobby_nic Nics

Would another Nic save any weight?

[doml]

True

nobby may save weight rubbish front grip imo. Think the wheels is where I need to lose it. ohh might just justify some indusrty nines with stans flows on.

[Toasty]

nobby may save weight rubbish front grip imo.

Surprised to hear that, I've never had any issue with their grip at all, they're a bit more subtle and grippy tubeless but even before I found them decent enough. Went to Glentress last week and didn't notice the slightest skip on the rocky bits, the Racing Ralph on the back is a different story, fairly predictable and good fun tho  We normally ride Cannock Chase which is all tame hardpack, they're fine on there (assuming it's not rained).

Think the wheels is where I need to lose it. ohh might just justify some indusrty nines with stans flows on.

hehe, yeah that would do it 

[doml]

just compared to the fat albert its pants. on the back its fine though. Neither are of course as good as my tubeless 2.5 comp16s! (that pushes the bike over 35lbs!)

[Tomm]

I am not familiar with those pedals but they sound like they are probably going to be quite heavy.  Also the Hone cranks are probably a fair bit heavier than XTs or similar. 

Also bear in mind that an E13 is superfluous weight.  While they might not be toooo heavy, they are not strictly necessary on an 'All Mountain' bike, so it's adding weight that's not needed.  But in terms of how the bike rides, pedals, cranks and chain devices are central where the weight is less noticeible. 

Your wheels would be the main place to try and save weight.  Those Fat Albert tyres don't sound especially light, and lighter rims are certainly available.  Lighter wheels = less rotating weight = better acceleration, bike 'feels' a lot lighter to ride. 

[damo]

Just weighed my bike the spec is;

VIP Frame with rp23 shock
Full XT chainset.
Sunline V1 All Mountain Headset
Rockshox 426 Revelations Coil not air
Raceface All Mountain 90mm Stem
Monkeylite EA70 carbon bars High rise
Hope pro2 hubs sun ringle rims, spokes unknown
Hayes 2006 hfx xc (6") brakes with bonz levers
Maxxis High Rollers 60A Dual Ply tyres
DMR V8 pedals
Raceface Deus seatpost
SDG RL saddle

It comes in via the digital bathroom scales route at 31.3lbs
Would like to see what it weighs using a known accurate way.


Damo

[steveb]

My meta from memory weights a tweeny weenie smidgen under 30lb, with bolt thru forks.

Spec is 08 Meta 5, Manitou Minutes, XT chainset with Raceface BG, shifters, cassette, chain, BB etc. XT brakes with Hel hoses, carbon post, bars & stem, XTR/819/Revolution spokes, Intense CC225 tyres, CB pedals... Think that's it.

The standard bikes do weight in less out of the box, which is a bit miffing, but then the tyres are too small and lightweight for my personal liking, the rotors too small for my size, the brakes too lightweight for my liking etc. This is bearing in mind I weight 16st and ride pretty heavy.

As it is my Meta I think has the perfect  lightweight/strength ratio for my use of it.

Saying all that, my other Meta 5 that weights 34lb rides exactly the same!

[doml]

new wheels, maybe new pedals and possible cranks it is then. Fat Albert weighs in at 750 so not too heavy and the grip all year round is superb.
How you rate those intense tyres?

[steveb]

I really really REALLY like them!

Not being a DHer at heart, means I can see past the whole high roller thing, not knocking them just think they're are better tyres out there.

I run CC225's pretty much all year round on my Meta. Our trails spend more time wet than dry and are generally very rooty, the 225's hook up real well on roots and always warn of letting go. They roll well, last ages and are pretty light for a "big" tyre.

On the Mini I run Edge DC lites, which are incredible. The same cornering ability of the FRO Edge without the weight and super tacky compound in the middle they they pedal well. They grip on everything, wet roots and rocks don't phase them at all, I have 100% confidence in them, I've used them for ages so know exactly their limits on the Mini. The few times I go out for pure DH or race I run FRO Edges, which are stupid grippy but so draggy it's not funny: Forget pedaling them them! They wear real quick too, one race weekend was all I got out of a pair once.

I've tried Systems 4's and got on with them pretty well, but they have their limitations. I ran them in Spain as I wanted the wheels as light as poss. I flatted EVERY day and ultimately trashed both rims thanks to them. But I was using them way outside their remit, so really they stood up well. They are surprisingly good on wet rock, not as good as the Edge's but better than the 225's. On wet roots though they're pants, as I found out:

On a regular run there is a section that has a bench cut flat bit of singletrack with a steep off camber very rooty section above it. Most ride the bench cut singletrack but on the Mini I know I can always ride high on the camber and the tyres will grip on the roots, even in the wet. I can normally get passed the rider in front pulling this move. First outing with the Systems 4 on the Mini and it was wet and I hit this section, went high and the milisecond the tyres hit the wet roots both front and back washed out immediately. It was rather painful. Lesson learnt: System 4's don't like wet roots!

[Cheers Drive]

2007 Meta 5.5 frame
Rockshox Pike 454 air U-turn
Hope Pro2 719, 2.4 Conti MK Front
Hope XC 519, Maxxis Advantage 2.2 rear
Race Face Evolve chainset with Race face 36T Bash
XT cassette, shifter and rear mech
Deore front mech
Avid Juicy 5's
Titec RIP 90mm stem
Truvative carbon riser bars
540 SPDs
Tomson elite layback post
WTB power V saddle

31lbs according to the bathroom scale method. Felt nice and light until I tried a friend Scoll Spark @ 21lbs, but then I would break that it 10 minutes flat!