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« on: June 16, 2008, 10:41:15 PM »



Last week I gave you all the heads up on what's new in the 2009 Commencal range, this week it's a heads up on the rest. Some tweaked, some tuned, some left untouched.

The Other Stuff Pt. 1. The Meta 5.5

Since it's inception in 2005 every year have seen the Meta5.5 change in one way or another, the 2009 Meta is no different.

It's sometimes forgotten that the Meta 5.5 is only in it's forth season. It's now regarded by most as the benchmark five inch trail bike: It's the bike by which most others in this extremely competitive sector are judged. And make no mistake the five inch trail bike is the single most important model in any brands line up. Get this model wrong and watch your market share crumble, get it right and..., well, who had heard of Commencal three years ago? See, that's how important it is!


Commencal are aware of this, it's why they're exceptionally careful about changing what is a winning formula. In 08 they made a few tiny changes to the frame (excluding the new "cosmetic" swingarm) and the mags were beating seven colours of you know what out of them for it, most without even throwing a leg over the new 08 version. Interestingly by the middle of the season almost all of the mags who complained Commencal had ruined a great bike changed their story once they'd actually put away the angle finder and ridden the damn thing. Eventually they agreed the new 08 version WAS better than the 07. See, Commencal do actually know a thing or two about bike design after all. Ironically it was this beating at the hands of the mags that is behind one of the biggest changes to the new 09 Meta 5.5: The head angle has been slackened off half a degree back to what it was in 07!

Now, some might say this is pandering to the mags, some might say it's admitting when you've got it wrong, some might not say a thing, ignore all the angle bollox and carry on riding their bikes day in day out. Bottom line: On a full suss bike, with five and half  inches of bounce at each end are you really going to notice half a degree here or half a degree there? The jury is out on that one, and out it most likely will remain. Which really is not a bad thing. Too many mags, and for that matter too many people pay way to much attention to the numbers on bits of paper. To coin one of the main protagonists in the whole 2008 magazine/angle debacle, just get out and ride!

So, what else other the head angle has changed on the Meta 5.5? Not much really, and if you could ride a bike blindfolded you'd be hard pushed to tell any discernable difference between the two. The new 09 Meta 5.5 has been tuned as opposed to changed. Which is good. Very good. As someone who has ridden almost exclusively a Meta5 since 2005, the 2008 was without doubt the best version, the 09 builds on that not detracts from it.


Visually the main change is the top tube. gone is the hydroformed upsweep at the seat tube end of it, now it's a good old fashion  straight tube that is lower than the 08 so giving even better standover and it has to be said cleaner lines. At the other end of the top tube big beefy gussets have made a welcome return. Yes, they add weight,  but after two seasons trying to replace them with hydroformed this and manipulated that, Coomencal came to the conculsion that old tech is often the best tech.

Staying at the headtube end of things it's now flared to accept an intregrated headset, so no more swanky Chris King headsets for the bling boys and girls, but you do get lower stack heights and thanks to bigger weld areas stiffer front ends, so it ain't all bad.

Last week I mentioned the new one piece triangle linkage plates that were coming on the new Super Four, albeit in a miniture size, well this technology has found it's way onto the new Meta 5.5 too, meaning a stiffer lighter linkage system. Best of it's compatible with ALL previous Meta 5 frames so it's upgradetastic! Weak linkages has always been the Meta 5's, erm, weak link, so it's a welcome improvement.


In the line up for 09 is the usual 5.5.3, 5.5.2 and 5.5.1 with the special XT version, this time called the Meta 5.5.UK being exclusive to, yep you've guessed it, the UK! A VIP frame will also be available and overall the weights are much the same as the 08 models: Frame only- Low 7lbs, 5.5.1- 28.5lb. 5.5.2- 29.5. And 5.5.3- 31lb. Weights as ever are subject to change so don't use them as a decision maker!

Worth noting is that the frame only will ship with a Thompson seatpost and stem and headset.


The Other Stuff Pt.2. Furious

New in 08 the Furious took everyone by surprise, the entire 08 supply ran out in days, top up bikes were produced but they arrived well into the season, so during the busy buying season at the beginning of the year no one could get their hands on a Furious for love nor money. The mags wanted them badly for review but there simply wasn't any. Those who were lucky enough to get one in the first place loved em, everyone else kinda forgot about them and bought something else. Meaning the Furious had a funny kinda start in the UK. But never fear, the bike is more or less unchanged in 2009 and stock will be plentiful so everyone will get to try CG's brain child.


The only real change to the Furious in 09 is the introduction of a cheaper model (ironically not cheaper than the original 08 bike thanks to the 09 price increases), and some messing about with the names. Let me explain.

In 08 there was one bike, the Furious. It retailed for £2199 and considering the complete bike was only £700 more than the frame only option, it had a killer spec list. Well in 2009 this bike remains more or less unchanged except it's now called the Furious CG, has a bit of white on the frame (main colour is still turquoise) and a few spec upgrades. Oh and the price has changed, it's not set yet but expect it to be well over the £2.5k mark. Coming in below it specwise and costwise is the new Furious. The main difference other than a lower spec is the frame has been "downgraded" with a 73mm BB (opposed to 83 on the CG) and 135mm rear dropouts (opposed 150mm on the CG). This is purely to get the cost down. The bike rides the same, will still be supremely balanced in the air and is still hugely fun to ride. It's not quite as stiff and bompproof as the original Furious or the new Furious CG. But honestly, who really needs that level of bombproofness?

The Other Stuff Pt. 3. Absolut

The Absolut has gone through some radical changes over the years. It started as a hardcore trail hardtail, now it's firmly a bike park and street machine. To help it cope with the ever increasing demands this type of rider is making of their bikes every frame in the new range has got beefed up headtubes and top tubes. The complete bikes also come with stronger wheels.

The range starts with the Maxmax, which true form is as basic as it gets with single speed gears, V's and a rigid fork. The Asolut CG is essentially a MaxMax with a suspension fork. The Absolut AL2 is a CG with gears and better suspension fork and the Absolut AL1 is a AL2 with disc brakes, 9sp drive train and a better fork still.


Best of all though is the MaxMax24, a 24" wheeled version of one of Frances best selling entry level street bike. Is the MaxMax24 for the 24" wheel'd street rider or the kids? Who knows. Who cares? Maybe both. All that matters is it's cool and a MaxMax and seriously LOUD!

The Other Stuff Pt.4. Combi & Normal

The Normal and Combi range is often forgotten about, most only see Commencal as producers of fine mid to top end bikes, but they do low end/entry level too, and do it rather well. Sure there will always be cheaper bikes if your shopping on spec, but as has been proved with the Meta 5.5, Commencal know a thing or two about bikes, and there cheap ones ride like much more expensive rivals.

For 09 the entire Normal and Combi range gets lower top tubes and most inportant of all the forks are custom sprung to suit the size of the bike: Based on the fact that normally the bigger the bike the bigger the rider so the heavier they'll be. And heavier riders need stiffer forks.  Even better the XS size now comes with a shorter fork so the front end is not higher than the rider when standing.

The V equipped Normal now comes with disc ready wheels to make future upgrading cheaper and the Normal disc now gets hydro's as standard. The Combi also gets better forks in the shape of Rock Shox Tora.

The Combi and Normal range is never going to be a big seller for Commencal, I wouldn't be surprised if they make little or no profit on each one sold, but the very fact that they bother to produce them says a lot about the company. Max Commencal has always believed that everyone has the right to decent bikes that don't cost the earth. Cheap should not mean a bad ride. The MaxMax and the Combi's are testament to this.

Finally the Supernormal. In the words of David, Commencals international export manager "The supernormal is the Supernormal. It will always be the Supernormal, it will never change" I think that's Canadian for it's not changed!

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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2008, 10:04:06 PM »

Update: 2009 Meta 666
(Yes, I forgot them yesterday!)

The Meta 666 was born in 2007 at the demand of the world beating Commencal Megavalanche riders, they wanted something as light and pedal friendly as the Meta 5.5 but with a bit more beef and travel to cope with the descents. Throughout 2007 it was tested and won quite a few races, it was launched to a very eager public in the 2008 range.

It's initial launched was plagued by the mags and their angle finders again. They convinced themselves (and many readers) that something was wrong with it, they simply couldn't understand a bike with 160mm travel from Commencal that wasn't a DH bike.

Thanks to this and the UK's obsession with judging a bike by it's travel the point of the 666 has always been somewhat confused in blighty. Is it a short travel DH bike?  Is it a long travel XC bike? The answer to both is no, the reality is it's somewhere between the two!

To fully understand the point of the 666 you need to look outside the UK and towards the mountain ranges in Europe. It's a bike that can spend the day riding around real mountains without a chairlift or gondola in sight. It can be ridden up anything a Meta 5.5 can be ridden up, albeit not as quickly. And ridden down anything the Supreme (Mini DH) can be ridden down, albeit not as quickly.  To put it simply the Meta 666 is an Alpine trail bike.

In the 08 launch year the bike came in two versions, both it has to be said expensive. The cheapest off the shelf 666 you could buy was nearly £3k. Why, with the Meta 5.5 can be turned out in in three models with the cheapest being £1300, could Commencal not produce a cheaper off the shelf 666? At the launch of the 08 range that question was asked, the answer was because to do the frame justice you need top end components. That's a fair comment, but in reality it didn't stack up. In 2009 this issue has been addressed and the 666 now comes in 3 flavours: 666.1, 666.2 and 666.3. Prices are not yet set in the UK but it's expected the 666.3 will be well below the £2k mark so making the 666 finally affordable by many many more riders.

As with the Meta 5.5 the 666 is not radically changed just tweaked, and it's nice to see the tweaking is pretty much exactly what the riders were asking for. It's nice to know the manufacturer is listening.

Like the 5.5 the new 09 666 gets a lower top tube to further increase standover and the same intregrated headset to stiffen up the front end. The head angle has also been slacked off half a degree and the head angle inserts has been improved too to offer +/- 1 degree on the small and medium frames and +/- 0.5 degree on the large and XL frames. Notable is that the XL now gets the adjustable insert, in 2008 if had a standard headtube.

There has been come changes in the suspension department too: Whilst the length of the rear shock is the same as 08 at 200mm it now uses a 57mm stroke, so making the action more plush and more responsive to small bumps thanks to the ability to run lower pressures. To help the small bump action further the shocks all sport a large volume air sleeve. And finally the linkage has been modified to use the new one piece system seen elsewhere in the Meta range. Unlike the Meta 6.6 the new linkage is not backwards compatible with 08 Meta 666.

All the bikes in the range will be coming with double and bashguard instead of the 08 triple, which should save everyone a few quid upgrading soon after purchase! The 6.2 and the 6.1 also get the rather funky CB Joblin seatpost and all the frames in the range have cable stops for the Joblin remote hardware.

At the back of the bikes the 6.3 gets standards QR drop outs, the 6.2 comes with a 12mm bolt thru setup and the 6.1 gets the Maxle, and as always all the frames can be set up to run wither of those options with a simply drop out change. All frames also come with ISCG 05 as standard should you want to run a chain device.

Expect to start seeing the bikes in your local Commencal dealer some time in Sept.

That's it, finally the whole 2009 range in detail. You read it here first on the Commencal Owners Club: The site with it's finger on the Commencal pulse, it's foot in the Commencal camp and it's bar bill on the Commencal tab. Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2008, 11:14:55 AM »

"Please mention any typos below!"

Typoes? Typo's? Teipås? Smiley

Brilliant, this was as inspirational as it was diplomatic: next years bikes are excellent, and the bikes you already have are good too!

Except the dh bike, which I tried this weekend past, and tried not to hate it for being better than mine.

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2008, 02:25:31 PM »

http://www.freecaster.com/1000006_1005023     subtitles missing  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2008, 12:42:34 PM »

to quote mr smithers employer , that rapport was excellent mr s, even weights are included!  Grin I have to say the new 5.5s and 666 is really starting to grow on me and i have a feeling that a 666 would be one sweet bike for me (like everybody has been trying to tell me..., hehe). Oh well, no new bikes for next year though except maybe a (road) racer. Eh, or probably... (must... resist.. And use my current bikes more)

about the new rear setup in terms of the shock, is the travel the same, just with more preferential rates/lower pressure?
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2008, 01:52:31 AM »

What does David mean with Supernormal bike? I saw the 2009 collection and the only XC hardtail that can be seen is the all new SKIN (carbon frame, top end bike). I have been noticed by Alexis García, sales manager of "Sudbike" (our chilean online establishment to buy Commencal products), that Supernormal will not appear, as well as Flame model. Instead of this ones, SKIN is going to replace ageeing aluminum models.

Someone can explain that?
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2008, 10:15:18 AM »

i'am seriously loving the look of the new meta 5, was going to get an 08 frame but the large have sold out everywhere  Angry

one thing from the review, it states that "Worth noting is that the frame only will ship with a Thompson seatpost and stem and headset." is this going to be market dependant as the only place in the uk that i can find that lists the 09 frame are saying it only comes with the seatpost, so just curious as to whether they are being cheeky and keeping them back for what ever reason, sent them an email but no reply as of yet.
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2008, 10:04:28 AM »

What does David mean with Supernormal bike? I saw the 2009 collection and the only XC hardtail that can be seen is the all new SKIN (carbon frame, top end bike). I have been noticed by Alexis García, sales manager of "Sudbike" (our chilean online establishment to buy Commencal products), that Supernormal will not appear, as well as Flame model. Instead of this ones, SKIN is going to replace ageeing aluminum models.

Someone can explain that?

It may not be visible, but the 2009 Supernormal does exist.  It will depend of course on whether or not the countries distributor has ordered any, but it it does exist. 
The Skin replaces the Flame only.

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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2008, 10:10:43 AM »

i'am seriously loving the look of the new meta 5, was going to get an 08 frame but the large have sold out everywhere  Angry

one thing from the review, it states that "Worth noting is that the frame only will ship with a Thompson seatpost and stem and headset." is this going to be market dependant as the only place in the uk that i can find that lists the 09 frame are saying it only comes with the seatpost, so just curious as to whether they are being cheeky and keeping them back for what ever reason, sent them an email but no reply as of yet.

Not sure if you are talking about the Meta 55, e1ys1um, but the stem and seatpost option is only available on the very very limited edition Supreme frame set (which also comes with fork, shock, headset).  I think the UK has only ordered 5, and it will not be produced again.  Thats why you are having so much trouble finding out about it!  If you want one, best bet is to check in with Steve, he'll be able to find out if there are any left.

Otherwise, all VIP frames will come with a Thomson seatpost this year (except the Absolut Crmo).

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