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[stinky]

I was in a debate on an other forum, about my furious. Everyone was saying that everything bad about multiple pivot bike was used on this frame. Like the linkage, they were saying commancel should have used a Horst  link so the bike would handle better under braking. Is this true? Why did commancel use a built in brake mount on the rear chainstay? Does this help with breaking problems? I thought this frame was designed great that is why I bought it over pretty much my choice of frames , for the price I paid I could have pretty much got anything i wanted. Personally I have ridden the bike quit a bit since getting it, I thought the braking work really well. I did not really notice any squealing or brake jack when breaking under high speed. I thought that is why commancel put the rear brake mount on the bottom of the chainstay. Anyways any input on the design and why you did not use some of the so called better technology on the frame . I thought the frame was well designed and why would you guys not use better technology if the frame did not need any right? Would a Horst link really make the frame better?

[Vic-Tim.com]

The good old 'linkage' debate. At the end of the day there are a number of different ways to get the same effect. Some are heavily Patented ( like Horst or VPP ), some aren't ( like the classic Single pivot ).

At the end of the day, a bike is only a shiny bit of kit until a rider gets on it....then it becomes an extension of their skill ( and something to develop that skill ). When it comes from the Commie stable and has input from one of the best riders in the world ( MR CG ), your not dealing with monkeys in the design process, this is no corporate monster throwing out designs left, right and centre :-)

If you are flying on the bike, and your developing your skills with a big phat smile...then that says it all for the design.

Also to counter any plonker who goes on about different bikes being better with multi-links, floating links, braking bars, etc etc.....just look at the Orange 222 family, one big single pivot and the most succesful downhill bike ever.

Just my views though...

Tim S

[tintole]

Hi mate,

I have a mini dh, not the furious like you but it is from the same design house so would be similar. Before this I had two horst link bikes, they
are good but because they are very active they are a bit soggy when you jump on the pedals, my mini dh is much better when you put the power down. The rear brake issue is only an issue if you brake when the rear is unloaded and even then it's not that noticable. How many moto cross bikes have a floating rear brake anymore? not many!
Don't listen to the slow riders who are on the rear brake all the time, let the brake off and let rip.
Have fun.

[mc]

The biggest issue with the Furious, is people just don't 'get' it.

They think that because it's got 7" of travel and built like a DH bike, that it is a DH bike. Well it isn't. I hate to pigeon hole things, but it's a freeride bike. It is not designed for absolute speed, so it doesn't need that fancy a linkage or to be that pedal friendly (but due to it featuring a variant of the contact system, it just so happens to).

The bike is designed for maximum fun. The geometry is designed to make the bike easy to get airborne, be very chuckable and stable once in the air, yet also be good handling at low speed.

Don't worry what other people say, just go and ride it.
And take solice in the fact one of the of the UKs better underground shore riders liked my Furious when he tried it ;-)

PS what forum was the debate on?

[stinky]

pinkbike
Would the horst link improve breaking ? Yes Or no

[mc]

Some people say yes, some say no.

The concensus used to be yes, but apparently Dave Weagle (of DW link fame aka Iron Horse Sunday) posted a thread on ridemonkey explaining all the different systems, and he reckoned it didn't, as he had studied most systems prior to developing the DW link.
I've not personally read the thread (his username is DW on ridemonkey if you want to dig in the archives for it), it was a mate that was telling me about it (who happens to like horst links, although he did buy a sunday last year).

[mc]

hahaha!

Just found the thread.
Somebody who obviously can't see past horst links.
You could always highlight how few of the top DH riders actually ride bikes with horst links...